Bro. Eli refuted Pope’s pronouncement – Jesus is not a spirit, he is a man.September 9, 2014
This post is my comment to Aquino Bayani of Splendor in his blog dated Aug. 30, 2014:
Before we rebuke by relaying to Bro. Eli Soriano’s blog, the unwise interpretation of this Aquino Bayani (Mr.B) in his blog catered by Splendor, let us be aware first of Saint Paul’s reminder, saying:
1Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
We all know that the Bible is open to all, everybody can read and use it as long he had the copy of it, but to understand it, that is a different story. And that is the problem of Mr. Bayani who is trying to defend the unbiblical pronouncement of his pope by copy-pasting too many verses in the Bible, which was refuted by Bro. Eli Soriano, a well-known tele-evangelist and the presiding minister of Members Church of God International, in his official blog, entitled “The Greatest Fallacy of the Roman Catholic Church Ever”.
Since the pope had not made yet any rebuttal or explanation on what he said, the catholic defenders came to rescue! One of them is Mr. Bayani. By showing the original 124 seconds video of pope’s homily, MR. B assumed victory against Bro. Eli – but mistakenly (maybe unknown to him), he just dropped the smallest hope that he can defend his pope, cause the video is actually saying that Jesus is a man, not a spirit, even he is gone.
So loud and clear! The pope believes that Jesus is a man even he is gone on earth. At present moment, whom he (Jesus) is already in heaven with the Father God, he is a man and not a spirit! And he still prays for us. Am I hearing it right? Jesus still prays for us? Anyway it’s another rebuttal to discuss. But for the meantime lets be focused on pope’s pronouncement that Jesus is a man, and not a spirit.
So since Mr. Bayani cannot change anymore the video, he just ride on the pope’s pronouncement and believe as well that Jesus is a man and not a spirit by mis-using the Bible verses to prove their claims that pope’s pronouncement is true and Biblical. Let dissect with God’s help the hallucination of Mr. Bayani one by one:
1. Jesus Christ becomes a human being forever
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (Jn 4:24, KJV)
Before anything else existed, there was Christ, with God. He has always been alive and is himself God. (Jn 1:1-2, The Living Bible)
But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, (Gal 4:4, KJV)
And Christ became a human being and lived here on earth among us and was full of loving forgiveness and truth. And some of us have seen his glory—the glory of the only Son of the heavenly Father! (Jn 1:14, TLB)
It is quite true that the way to live a godly life is not an easy matter. But the answer lies in Christ, who came to earth as a man, was proved spotless and pure in his Spirit, was served by angels, was preached among the nations, was accepted by men everywhere, and was received up again to his glory in heaven. (1 Tm 3:16, TLB)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (! Tm 3:16, KJV)
Above are the verses posted by Mr. B to start his claim, the verses AS IS has no problem but using them to serve the claim of Mr. B is quite alarming and very dangerous to readers and listeners, his fallacy is this:
“At the moment when Christ who is God and Spirit becomes a human being, He remains God and Spirit who becomes a human being forever.”
We can see clearly how Mr. B distorted the truth in injecting his own understanding about Christ – who becomes a human being forever according to him. None in the Bible we can read that Christ became human being FOREVER! Even we read the verses million times, none of them validate Mr. B’s claims. Take note how his mind is polluted by his own falsity.
More so, this verse alone that he used as well is debunking his own. I think he is unaware again that he is drinking his own-made poison.
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever..(Hebrew 13:8 KJV)”
The Bible is so plain to understand to those with simple mind that God, a spirit, is infinite but human being is finite.
But not to Mr. Bayani. This is what he said – “If Christ came to earth as a man (and not a spirit), then Christ is to remain a man forever (and not a spirit forever), as it was also written in the Hebraic Law that Christ is to remain forever as both Christ and the Son of Man (that is, a human being):”
Is not the spirit of Christ inside the body (man)? How come Mr. B deducted the fact that Christ is a spirit being that manifested in flesh? And if Christ became flesh it does not mean He will remain flesh forever. That is so ridiculous and this pretender aka Mr. B is INSANE! Come to think what will happen if the flesh remains forever? In the first place it is impossible. St. Paul said clearly that flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Lord Jesus Christ became man (flesh) only on his stay on earth, but after that he passed away. He was resurrected and then ascended to heaven. Take note of this verse:
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
We all believe that the Spirit of Christ descended to earth and manifested in flesh, the same Spirit will then be ascended up to heaven. So what will remain forever is the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ. Let us read Mathew 28:18-20,
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
It is the Lord who said that He will go with the person that teaches all his commandments until the end of the world. He will not go to Liars who distorted His words and use for their own gain.
2. TRINITY – One God, three persona
On the same claim “At the moment when Christ who is God and Spirit becomes a human being, He remains God and Spirit who becomes a human being forever” it is noticeable that Mr. B misunderstood the verses he used, and he presumed that God the Father, Christ the Son and Holy Spirit is one. This is to serve catholic doctrine about trinity. They believed that the three is EQUAL. This doctrine is refuted by Bro. Eli Soriano more often not only in his official blog, also to his Bible Expositions. He cited the following verses on the Bible to debunk this fallacy:
Father God is Greater than the Son
Jonh_14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Baptism of Jesus at Jordan River
Joh 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Transfiguration of Jesus in the mountain
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
We can understand on above verses that Jesus Christ, although come in the bosom of the Father is not the same as the Father nor the Holy Spirit. God the Father even send the Holy Spirit to the apostles.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
3. Jesus Christ is not a spirit but is a man after his death and resurrection.
Let be all discern the pope’s homily again as seen in video, he said:
“He is the intercessor, the One who prays and prays to God with us and before us. Jesus has saved us, He gave us this great prayer, His sacrifice, His life, to save us, to justify us: we are righteous through Him. Now He’s gone, but He still prays. Some ask, is Jesus is a spirit? Jesus is not a spirit! Jesus is a person, a man, with flesh like ours, but full of glory. Jesus has the wounds on His hands, feet, sides, and when He prays to the Father He shows the price of justification, praying for us, as if to say: But, Father, let this not be lost!”
When some ask “if Jesus is a spirit”, the pope already uttered that Jesus was gone already, he sacrificed his life already and died on cross already. As of that moment that Jesus is gone, is He a spirit or a man? It is the time that makes the pope’s pronouncement deadly wrong and un-Biblical. If only the pope said that Jesus is manifested in man flesh when he was on earth, that’s was true, but never in the Bible that Jesus is a man before and after his death and resurrection. In Bro. Eli’s blog he said that before Jesus come to earth, flesh and bone was prepared already.
HEBREWS 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
And after Jesus death and resurrection, Bro. Eli said that even the real authorities of Christian faith- the Apostles, believe that Jesus is a spirit. The last Adam is Lord Jesus Christ as the Bible says.
I CORINTHIANS 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Let us all be reminded that a glorious body is not the same as body of a human that we all know. Bro. Eli noted the difference:
I CORINTHIANS 15:40
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
The one that Mr. B pointing in Luke 24:33-43 is not the human body that we all know but the body destined to heaven (celestial body). If that so (human body) why did not knew him while Jesus walk with them. They only knew that it was Jesus when he ate bread with them (Luke 24:30-31). The same with others in the room when Jesus stood in their midst, they were frightened and terrified as if they saw as spirit, if it was Jesus in human form as we know, are they be terrified? Jesus entered while the door is still shut – yey that’s unusual for a human body. If a terrestrial body can eat a material food like bread and fish, is that mean a celestial body cannot? Is not the celestial body is more capable of than human body? The bottom point of this is that Lord Jesus is not forever man after his death and resurrection. He is a spirit with destined body in heaven.
Again, as St. Paul’s reminder to us:
1Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
Can we found someone who uses the law in good faith?
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
No preachers nowadays other than Bro. Eli Soriano who have the wisdom to speak the truth written in the Bible despite of deadly threats on him, despite of lies thrown to him, despite of fabricated cases filed in court of men, despite of malicious attacks read in all sort of media, despite of these all that hinder him to speak the truth – he still stand firm with the help of God and His guidance, and His promise that He will GO to whom he sent to preach the gospel/the commandments he commanded to teach to all. And none can resist what he says.
The enemies of the Truth are sprouting increasingly but none of them will succeed, cause the Spirit of Lord Jesus Christ is with him that faithfully keep and teach his commandments.
To Mr. Aquino Bayani, I think you need to rest your mind for a while so that fresh air came inward.
And to readers specially to catholic members, we will not warn you to keep away to your pope cause you have right to believe and to listen, but we want to warn you to be more watchful on his doctrines. Read the Bible and compare. And do your soul a favor, listen to Bro. Eli Soriano and compare the doctrines he preaches to yours.